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I do not understand the emphasis on controlling market prices, I think that is damaging the game. The market will be regulated by itself as more players become available. Prices inevitably will fall over the time with no interaction from @'s, many managers do not buy for above similar purchases, but p.e. if there is only one player on the market of certain average and skills, why a manager may be fined for selling more expensive than similar purchases when there is not option to choose from? It is the law of supply and demand, otherwise it is dictatorship. Do not have hurry to kill the market by throwing away prices, you know what will happen when everybody can buy for peanuts. | 06/11/2013 04:43 |
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It is ultimately to prevent teams from creating monopolies, buying and selling to each other for next to nothing, while new people that join the game have no chance of getting such deals. Edited by @practicesquad 06-11-2013 05:26 |
06/11/2013 05:25 |
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I understand and it is necessary to prevent monopolies and cheating. Even if you believe university economic theory ( I don't ) you must concede that the market theory doesn't work when there is no real loss for anyone. If anything, this market reinforces the fallacy of free market economics. When faced without any real consequences, people will manipulate, monopolize, and cheat. You want to fix all of that? Give the @ the ability to rescind the entire transaction and give the @ the ability to place new players on the market or even to an aggrieved player. My guess is that the @'s only ever find a small fraction of the improper transactions that go on. Whenever I am interested in a player, I always check the history and the squads of the player buying, bidding, and to whom the player goes to. I check the transactions for the manager. When I search for players, I check do the same. i am always surprised when I see managers buying high level players that do not fit their formations, new managers buying players they should not be able to afford, and multiple transactions between one new manager and one experienced manager. Yes, @'s fining for transactions that are out of market may not solve those problems, but it undoubtedly prevents many more issues and does more good than harm. |
06/11/2013 07:11 |
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vgates said: My guess is that the @'s only ever find a small fraction of the improper transactions that go on. Whenever I am interested in a player, I always check the history and the squads of the player buying, bidding, and to whom the player goes to. I check the transactions for the manager. When I search for players, I check do the same. We do find some, but we rely on cheat reports made by users to find the majority. If you see something that seems bizarre, feel free to report it and we'll take a look. |
06/11/2013 23:29 |
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Heidstra said: This is difficult. Fiscals are the ones we trust with the responsibility of understanding and regulating the market; in theory, their decisions should be factual, fair and unbiased. Unfortunately, if I am being honest, I have little faith that this is actually the case. Their job is incredibly difficult as market conditions are incredibly dynamic, resources are scarce and they are only human. In my experience, there is no perfect way. What would I like for the future? I would like an administration team that is transparent. A team of individuals who is open, willing and capable of representing their thought process to the general public. Currently, the fiscal process is entirely enigmatic to us mere mortal. We have no idea how decisions are made and are not presented with the opportunity to approach fiscals regarding their decision-making. Though I would like to put my faith in them, it is difficult to do so when there actions go virtually unaccounted for. Everyone makes mistakes, this is undoubtedly true and expected. I would like a fiscal team who is equally as accepting of this as the general public is forced to be. As far as the instance I am sure you are referring to goes, I'm not versed enough on it to comment. Again, all I can say is that we give power to individuals with the expectation that they exercise it in accord with this level of trust. We have created a culture of all-powerful, unquestionable leaders. With this, we have no choice but to abide by their judgement. As an example, if a price is given, we have to take that as is. It is a terribly sad state, but as of right now we have litle power to express our opinions. Essentially, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. Very eloquent Heid! I completely agree with you. "We have created a culture of all-powerful, unquestionable leaders. With this, we have no choice but to abide by their judgement. " This is one of my biggest complaints with this game. |
07/11/2013 07:10 |
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The Red Fury said: I do not understand the emphasis on controlling market prices, I think that is damaging the game. The market will be regulated by itself as more players become available. Prices inevitably will fall over the time with no interaction from @'s, many managers do not buy for above similar purchases, but p.e. if there is only one player on the market of certain average and skills, why a manager may be fined for selling more expensive than similar purchases when there is not option to choose from? It is the law of supply and demand, otherwise it is dictatorship. Do not have hurry to kill the market by throwing away prices, you know what will happen when everybody can buy for peanuts. When market prices become so out of control that New and old users can't afford, what happens is exploitation, cheating etc to get what people want. That's the brazil server. In an attempt to keep prices for 70avg players becoming 500 million a need to control the prices is in order so new users have a way of moving up through the ranks. A new user would not be able to afford a 500mil 70 avg player within a few seasons because they don't earn enough. The longer it takes to buy players, the more frustrated people become leading to a loss of users. So there is some justification for controlling the prices. |
07/11/2013 15:00 |
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This is not a game to provide the same good players, the same money and the same power to everyone. This game is supposed to be "the best manager". It makes no sense to fell frustated because in a pair of seasons you can not upgrade to 1 Div with thousands of millions generating interest in deposits as a lot of another manager started before than me or simply they are better manager than me. I have a 80 average team, and I do not want 90 average players cheap, because if I can afford them right now, thousand and thousand others manager can afford them too, then the game is due to be over and of course the market for players under 90 average would be dead. Users of the Spanish server can predict the future, then this is not opinion, but facts  |
07/11/2013 18:14 |
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You will find on es server that while 90+ ave players may seem affordable now, 70-75 ave players move for about 20 mil, that makes it extremely difficult to raise the money required to buy a 90 ave player, even though by our standards they appear reasonably cheap. Once you spend the money you have there you will find it very difficult to get it back. I enjoy playing that server because it presents an entirely different challenge. | 09/11/2013 02:02 |
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@practicesquad said: You will find on es server that while 90+ ave players may seem affordable now, 70-75 ave players move for about 20 mil, that makes it extremely difficult to raise the money required to buy a 90 ave player, even though by our standards they appear reasonably cheap. Once you spend the money you have there you will find it very difficult to get it back. I enjoy playing that server because it presents an entirely different challenge. How much does a 90+ ave player cost right now on the es server? |
09/11/2013 09:32 |
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Depending on the position right now you can buy left and right central defenders at 180 millions or IM and RM at 130 millions. | 09/11/2013 23:54 |
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